tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1992568757312040566.post4531393036813415893..comments2023-06-25T02:11:11.260-07:00Comments on Gluby's Notes: [H]arming your Children with the GospelGlubyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09312562242395394531noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1992568757312040566.post-16004230747861233302010-02-06T16:19:52.218-08:002010-02-06T16:19:52.218-08:00Dear Courageous Anonymous Poster,
Oh no! You drop...Dear Courageous Anonymous Poster,<br /><br />Oh no! You dropped the P bomb on me! You know, it's really a tired old trick to recommend to people with whom you disagree that they get psychiatric counseling.<br /><br />My response to that bit of self-indulgent, passive-aggressive inanity:<br /><br />No, you.<br /><br />Setting aside the fact that I haven't even touched my blog for, what, over two years? -- let's just turn this around.<br /><br />"Anonymous," it appears that even though you have become comfortable with your membership in the notorious Mormon church, you really haven't. It still takes up way too much of your time trolling through ex-members blogs and taking the time to post petty snubs. It's too bad you haven't gotten over people who leave it.<br /><br />I have a suggestion: get rid of your computer and all non-Mormon books!! Stop entrenching yourself in things that bother you, and get involved with things that make you happy. Your preoccupation with ex-Mormons must be exhausting!<br /><br />Also, to get over your strange hostility to people who have left the church, you may need a good (here comes the P-bomb) psychiatrist to talk to so you can move on and leave them be.<br /><br />Honestly... that may be a huge help.<br /><br />Honestly.<br /><br />In a dashing display of my own return honesty, I can honestly say that you have completely and utterly failed to come off as either honest or sincere. Share your "honestly" veiled hostility with someone else.<br /><br />Honestly.<br /><br />Ass.Glubyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09312562242395394531noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1992568757312040566.post-19245474145134537682010-02-04T13:13:04.835-08:002010-02-04T13:13:04.835-08:00Gluby, it appears that even though you have left t...Gluby, it appears that even though you have left the LDS Church, you really haven't. It still takes up way too much of your time and thoughts. It's too bad you haven’t’ gotten over it. I have a suggestion: get rid of your books!! Stop entrenching yourself in things that bother you, and get involved in pursuits that make you happy. Your preoccupation with Mormon's must be exhausting! <br /><br />Also, to get over your anger, you may need a good psychologist to talk to so you can move on. Honestly…that may be a huge help.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1992568757312040566.post-47743802985399933002007-04-14T21:39:00.000-07:002007-04-14T21:39:00.000-07:00Sorry for the belated answers!Cele,It's maddening,...Sorry for the belated answers!<BR/><BR/>Cele,<BR/>It's maddening, isn't it? Aaargh indeed! It's criminal, really, and I'd defend a murderer ten times over before I'd defend one of the people behind this kind of manipulation.<BR/><BR/>Sara Sue,<BR/>I don't quite know how to answer such a kind and appreciative thing said. Thank you! I look forward to reading more of you as well. And don't worry, I always love long comments.<BR/><BR/>S&M Lisa,<BR/>As always, thanks. ;)<BR/><BR/>Chanson,<BR/>Totally, isn't it? It is *so* incredibly atrocious, and yet so predictable, that they choose this particular anecdote to sum up their point. It's the undercurrent running through Every, Damn, Lesson, Taught.<BR/><BR/>So, yep, the perverse thing is that they *are* right. You cannot show your kids that critical thought is okay, or they will, um, do it themselves. And then, oh, no! The whole house of cards might come tumbling down from that simple little breeze.<BR/><BR/>Julieann,<BR/>Thanks! Yes, families in Mormonism are definitely trapped in a prison arguably more real and effective than a physical one. And it is definitely Orwellian. In the end, the central message of 1984 was the inability to think outside the orthodoxy imposed throughout life and enforced via constant monitoring and threat of punishment of some kind. The result is self-censorship writ large -- the practice of learning to erase and ignore certain patterns of your own thought, performed so consistently and regularly as to become second nature.<BR/><BR/>Hellmut,<BR/>Really? That's fascinating. I know in my readings and church attendance during my Mormon years they *loved* to talk up and down about "free agency" in that limited and threatening way that they do. I think it would be at least a slight bit more honest to stop using the damned phrase.<BR/><BR/>(And besides, I think "free agency" is a myth anyway.)<BR/><BR/>Randy,<BR/>Ha! I think you're right, but I'd love to see it and hear the pindrop silence in the tabernacle/meetinghall/whatever after the blessed flatulence has departed the holy ass.<BR/><BR/>Ahem. Pardon me.<BR/><BR/>Speaking of Paul H. Dunn, it's worth an entire 'nother blog post to go into his collateral effects on Mormons. To put it briefly, his effect on LB was to make her always retain 5% doubt in EVERYTHING, even things backed by incontrovertible evidence. Thus, it made it almost impossible for her to move on the massive volumes of evidence of the church's deceit and hypocrisy because of what I've dubbed "the Paul H. Dunn factor." In other words, it made it HARDER for her to leave the church! Fascinating and disturbing.Glubyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09312562242395394531noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1992568757312040566.post-87695133246345632512007-04-06T08:33:00.000-07:002007-04-06T08:33:00.000-07:00Reminds me of the Paul H. Dunn affair and Dallin O...Reminds me of the Paul H. Dunn affair and Dallin Oaks's admonitions to avoid criticism of church leaders, even if that criticism happens to be true. I suppose it's more important to keep up appearances than to, say, expose a Stake President who is embezzling funds from his employer. IIRC, the desire to maintain credibility was one factor in David McKay's decision not to openly denounce McConkie's "Mormon Doctrine." I suppose a GA could stand at the podium and fart into the microphone and nobody could say anything about it.Randyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14225554333698783398noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1992568757312040566.post-13603597188262401502007-04-05T17:55:00.000-07:002007-04-05T17:55:00.000-07:00Great analysis, Gluby. It will not surprise you t...Great analysis, Gluby. It will not surprise you that there has been a campaign to remove the term free agency from the Mormon vocabulary. <BR/><BR/>Free agency used to be a staple but during the last ten years, you will have a hard time to find it in the Ensign.<BR/><BR/>Mormon pedagogy is so impoverished. Anyone who will follow the Bosses' advice will raise stunted children.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03941620390879983795noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1992568757312040566.post-64042371700634937372007-04-02T05:43:00.000-07:002007-04-02T05:43:00.000-07:00This is a fantastic post. The Church has families ...This is a fantastic post. The Church has families in a vise--it's as though they hold them hostage:<BR/><BR/>"Just smile up at the nice camera on the ceiling and nod; we'll meet in the bathroom to talk about how I <I>really</I> feel about xyz doctrine!"<BR/><BR/>"But dad, they put a camera in there, too!"<BR/><BR/>"Darn."<BR/><BR/>It's Orwellian and creepy.JulieAnnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02905677646104943660noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1992568757312040566.post-87890748017433696232007-03-31T02:35:00.000-07:002007-03-31T02:35:00.000-07:00Wow, the whole "Uppity woman vs. rightful patriarc...Wow, the whole "Uppity woman vs. rightful patriarchal authority" aspect is disturbing.<BR/><BR/>What I find most interesting though is the following message:<BR/><BR/>"Parents, don't supplement the church's teachings with your own opinions. Even if you mean it as 'The church is absolutely right but I have this minor quibble...' kids often place more weight on what their parents say than on the words of church authorities. So when they hear you pointing out errors, they get crazy ideas like thinking that they're allowed to form their own opinions of what church leaders say."<BR/><BR/>And on that count, they're right. I can completely relate to the daughter in this story. I read this and think "Mom, you know this guy isn't qualified to be giving advice -- you don't trust his judgement yourself. Why are you asking me to listen to him? What has the gospel done to you to make you behave this way?" And then start questioning...C. L. Hansonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12698855413639518095noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1992568757312040566.post-35138693582713479912007-03-30T14:48:00.000-07:002007-03-30T14:48:00.000-07:00I like this writing, Gluby. You've got a gift wit...I like this writing, Gluby. You've got a gift with words, indeed you do. Love it.Sister Mary Lisahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00642154849765529070noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1992568757312040566.post-34972860483000213152007-03-30T10:30:00.000-07:002007-03-30T10:30:00.000-07:00Dear Gluby,I'm new to your site ... well, sort of....Dear Gluby,<BR/><BR/>I'm new to your site ... well, sort of. I've spent the better part of the morning reading your archive. I like to start from the beginning when I become a regular at someone's site.<BR/><BR/>That being said, I'd like to quote a wise, kind, deep thinking person;<BR/><BR/>"Why do I want to blog? Sheer self-indulgence, maybe. I remember a quote from someone that went along the lines of, how can I know what I think about it unless I write about it? I want to know what I think -- to collect and refine my thoughts. Mostly I'll write about my takes on the world, with a focus on critical social analysis and "recovery from Mormonism.""<BR/><BR/>That's from your very first post here. You sum it up so perfectly for so many of us there. Your writing is enthralling. I suspect that is why you've been attacked recently. You have a gift, my new-found cyber pal, one that people with small minds feel the need to attack.<BR/><BR/>Don't be discouraged, doing the right thing is never easy, it's hard enough just being human.<BR/><BR/>I hope you, your wife, and your children will find a way to peace. Know that there is great power in the good thoughts being expressed here for all of you.<BR/><BR/>OK, that's the longest comment I've ever left, sorry. I'll shut up now.Sara Suehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04521777383020425971noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1992568757312040566.post-58942765660534129992007-03-30T08:59:00.000-07:002007-03-30T08:59:00.000-07:00Don't people just suffer massive migraines from al...Don't people just suffer massive migraines from all this? Some of the passages are so convoluted and conflicted that they implode upon themselves.<BR/><BR/>Arggghhhh!Celehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11471318342104018488noreply@blogger.com